I'd say Solo Buffing works better with the Ogre or Sprinkler, as the Monster lacks the reliability to handle full teams especially when you first get it
Warning: This List Is Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Long And Boring So You Might Misread Something
This Tier List Will Contain All Units And There Tiers (thanks to @flowG for the spreed sheet from the discord)
S Tier = Is OP
A Tier = Is 75% OP?
B Tier = Is Good
C Tier = Is Decent
D Tier = Is Less Decent
F Tier = Bad
Z Tier = Reserved For The Worst Of The Worst (no spoilers)
Base Unit Tier List (the ones from the shop)
Adventurer = B Tier
This Unit's Left Path Is Focused On Gear Scaling While The Right Path Is Focused On Gear But The Base Unit Is Good Since It Could Be Either A 2/4 A 3/2 Or A 4/4
Archer = C Tier
Base Unit Is Decent And All Of This Units Paths Are All About R A N G E
Bard = C Tier
Base Unit Gives +1 Health To All Newly Bought Units But Its Evolution Has Nothing To Do With The Base Line Unit Instead It Just An AoE Buffing Unit
Cleric = B Tier
H E A L T H G I V E R
Farmer = B Tier
I Would've Given This Unit S Tier But Some Of You Guys Are Good At Unit Picking
Jester = B Tier
card
Lancer = C Tier
Left Path Is Team Destroyer Right Path Is Reverse Rogue
Mage = A Tier
M A G I C
Money Bags = B Tier
Left Path Is About Making More Money Right Path Is About Saving Money Base Unit Is Sell
Recruit = B Tier
Left Path Is Lonely Right Path Is Reverse Cleric Base Unit Is Same As Right Path
Rouge = B Tier
A N G E R
Smith = C Tier
The Attack Giver
Warrior = C Tier
Left Path Is More Offensive Right Path Is More Defensive Base Unit Does Nothing
This Is Part 1 Out Of 3 So Wait Next Time For Part 2 Where I Rank The Second Paths (sorry for putting you on a cliffhanger lol)
? i thought you said to remove the disadvantage of taking 1000 damage if it was removed and it has high health to almost survive any attack then it could delete all teams (as well of many other tier 3 units but that's besides the point)
... wut? It does 1000 extra damage and then dies you are basically saying to remove the part where the unit dies
so if it can survive after having a 100% destroying without dying it can do it again so if he doesn't die (meaning he has high health) it will be so good that some armies on the player armies will have an high hp knife thrower basically almost removing the casual players
Will there eventually be a PC downloadable release so there won't be unitpedia and history loss? Or is that currently todo later and the fix will encompass the web version too? (Although I don't like relying on cookies either, but I don't know how itch.io games save online progress so the data may not be as volatile as I think)
Thanks for everyone that found the bugs in the v0.3, we really appreciate all of your feedback! Here's the things that the hotfix has fixed:
-Enemy Card Throwers hitting their own team -Being able to combine Tier 3 Units -The Unit Selection exploit -Card thrower's description was missing a period, and Ogre's has an extra "for"
In addition, we are wiping the current database of armies since some of you gamers beat the game using glitched armies. So for the first few times you play, you may be seeing the same enemy team over and over again, but this will be fixed with time. Thanks again for all of the feedback!
And, because I feel really motivated at the moment here's Balance Commentary part 3. Please excuse any negativity, since I'm mostly mentioning the weaker units. The game won't be any less awesome because of them. So I hope everyone gets to enjoy post 3, featuring:
Assassin - This unit is almost too good. It completely circumvents the frontline AND hits 2 units. The only downside is when it dies, and the enemy backline doesn't. And maybe its low base HP.
Verdict: one of the top units in the game. IF you want to nerf it, maybe give it the Knife Thrower's ability instead.
Poisoner - Another top unit in my opinion. It cleans up the backline squishies safely from the 2nd row. It also doesn't need attack buffs.
Verdict: another top unit. IF you want to nerf it, either reduce its range (that's less of a nerf than it sounds like, I play it in the 1st row a lot) or make it simply hit everyone for 2, without attacking normally.
Monster - Some people say that it's S-tier, I personally think that it's mostly fine. The attack is halved and the targets are random. Other units are somewhat more reliable.
Verdict: I think it's okay, but as a nerf reducing the amount of attacks to 4 is an easy option without a massive impact.
Shadow - An incredibly strong unit. Most of the time, it will oneshot the 3 units in the back. Makes for an amazing carry, more so because the Assassin is similarly amazing.
Verdict: nerfing this directly is really hard. A rework would be a better idea. I'd simply rework the Assassin to be weaker, leaving the Shadow nerfed as a result.
Knife Thrower - On paper, this unit isn't even that bad. You likely kill a Tier3 tank unit and the Knife Thrower needs no investments. In practice, the Assassin is just so much better. Why would you leave the Assassins unbuffed? Either you buff the Assassins and then downgrade them, or you're gathering terribly weak Tier2 units and die before you get the Knife Thrower.
Short Verdict: bad unit, needs rework
Long Verdict: one buff would be to remove the damage to itself, and reduce the bonus damage to say 50 or 100. I'd also swap it with the Monster, since the Monster is a unit that wants buff, just like the Assassin. Meanwhile the Knife Thrower is a unit that DOESN'T want buffs, just like the Poisoner.
There's also another option: this unit is meant to be a counter against strong frontliners. It's whack to gather a counter that's a Tier3 unit, and would have a better find in a Tier2 unit. So one option would be to switch it with the Assassin, or even give it its own unit branch. As a Tier1 unit, it might deal 10 damage to the target and itself. As a Tier2 unit, it might deal an additional 50 damage to the target and itself. Maybe there's a Tier2 variant that deals an extra 20 to the target, but not itself. There's a lot of things that can happen here.
Living Weapon - This unit is a lot weaker than the Armory. At the point where you get it, the front unit likely already has a lot of attack. I'd much rather spread my attack out a bit more, especially with ranged units the frontline profits from that anyway.
Verdict: there's a niche for this, the buff value should probably be the same as the Armory's though.
Weapon Limbs - This unit doesn't suffer the drawbacks of Living Weapon, because it triggers when shopping. That means that you can reposition your units to specifically get the buff on the target you want.
Verdict: don't think this is like the Living Weapon. This one needs to gain less stats the the Furnace. I repeat: do not buff.
Berserker - You get +8 stats once. That should tell you how bad this unit is.
Verdict: must be buffed. For example, it could temporarily gain +8 attack each time it attacks. Or it could gain +3 attack each round.
Shield Knight - To be better than the Berserker, this unit must be hit 9 times. It's just as bad.
Verdict: must be buffed. For example, it could be immune during the first round of combat, or it could prevent attacks against the backline, taking the damage in their stead.
A Shield? - This unit is hard to rate. It counters certain units in the game, but overall I don't think it's too good. One of the issues is that it's both a front and backline unit (you want it in the backline, to grant its buff as long as possible, but you probably buffed the Shield Knights with lots of HP). This would be a great unit if you know what you'll be fighting against, but so far I consider it bad.
Verdict: must be buffed. I like the "invulnerable during the 1st round" idea here as well. Maybe it could extend it to the entire army. Similar with the taking damage in their stead thing. I think the issue is that most backline targeting units (other than the Fire Mage) just oneshot their targets, and 5 less damage won't help.
Tower Knight - This is the HP equivalent to attacking 2 enemies. So technically speaking that would mean it follows more of a Tier2 curve. It is a fairly strong unit anyway, however I would never get it as its ancestor is just too bad. Offense still reigns supreme.
Verdict: what this unit needs is a buff to the Shield Knight. This also makes me think that maybe the Shield Knight could take half damage and the Tower Knight only 1/3rd? Or possibly both take half damage, but the Shield Knight only from the frontline.
Barbarian - This one is a really cool unit. It is the only unit in the game that deals double damage against the frontline (also a thing that the Berserker could get). It also gets extra attacks against backline attackers.
Verdict: cool unit and in a great place
Ogre - The strongest lategame unit in the game. It obliterates almost every teamcomp with a single attack if it's buffed sufficiently. The only way to win against an Ogre is to have a unit yourself that can solo the Ogre's army. Speaking thusly, it might actually make sense that the Berserker is this weak, simply to balance out the Ogre.
Verdict: this unit is very hard to balance. Honestly speaking, nerfing it will probably leave it weaker than the other multiattack units (unless you do something like reduce the damage to 40% of its attack). Maybe also give it a drawback like taking double damage. Alternatively, it could deal double damage and any excess damage carries over to the next unit.
Final option would be to nerf all multiattack units. In that case, maybe the Ogre would hit the first 3 units. A nerf isn't mandatory either; so far it still requires a lot of investment to get the Ogre rolling and at that point every other teamcomp I got also steamrolled almost everything. Might be best to just see how good it is in the future.
Balance Commentary Post 2 incoming. Please excuse any negativity, since I'm mostly mentioning the weaker units. The game won't be any less awesome because of them. So I hope everyone gets to enjoy post 2, featuring:
Bards - I like every single Bard unit, they all have a decent spot for themselves. I could see using each of them in some set of circumstances.
Verdict: fun & balanced
Super Cleric/Healer - I think they're generally weaker than the Scholar branch. Obviously the HP are better on the frontliner, but it is possible to focus the Scholar a bit more by leaving it in the barracks. I think the Healer's thing is more that you can leave it in the Army, where it won't be doing much because it lacks range.
Verdict: overall a good unit, would benefit from having 2 range like the Scholars.
Necromancer - I've said many times before, that buffs are better on the units that need them. The Necromancer doesn't need them. Worse yet, it grants itself a measly 5 HP per attack. Chances are it gets hit before even getting 30HP for itself. At that point, the Super Cleric would've done more. The range doesn't help much either, since the Healer never had any to begin with.
Verdict: this unit needs a rework, or a massive buff. @TheRealAskz proposed reviving units on 1 HP once, which I like. Or maybe increase the buff value to +10+10 (that's in line with the Tambourinist btw.).
Long Thrower - Another unit that suffers the 5-range issue. At the point where you get it, you're already overkilling the enemy frontline, and you're also opening up the 2-range slot in your army. The Sprinkler is just always the better option.
Verdict: it still provides an alternative niche, but it should probably get a damage boost or more reliable piercing effect. E.g. make it attack the 2nd unit if the 1st unit is already dead.
Spiked Shield - So instead of dealing its attack to the squishier and more dangerous 2nd and 3rd units, it deals up to 25 bonus damage to the front unit. That's just terrible. E.g. the Barbarian attacks the attacking unit back. The Spiked Shield is much, much worse than that. I guess its purpose is to melt the frontline, but it is terrible at it. Hitting the backline is just always better, unless it's a 1-unit team. But it's even worse against those.
Verdict: this requires heavy buffing. At the very least it should retaliate equal it its attack or half its HP. You could also increase the amount to 20. Or, if you want it to be really unique: return half the damage to the sender (shouldn't reduce the damage it takes though, otherwise it's just a better Tower Knight)
Fire Mage - This might be the first unit I mention because it is really good. It's just amazing at clearing out the squishy backline. With optimal targeting it can sometimes kill 3 units at the start of combat.
Verdict: I would still leave it as is though, since it's a great enabler of low-buff teams.
Entropy Mage - In general terms, this unit is weaker than the Fire Mage, but I think it has a wonderful niche for itself in which it excels. The unfortunate part is that it looses its damage as it gets hit, so it can be unreliable at times.
Verdict: it's in a decent spot. It doesn't need buffs if AOE units overall get nerfed. Otherwise, there's 2 options: either before combat its attack becomes half its HP, or the weaker buff would be that it uses its attack once its HP are too low.
Chaos - I think this is a great unit. Amazing for a team without damage buffs. It deals an average of 50 damage per round, usually targeting better enemies than the frontline. The big part is that because of the nature of its predecessor, it likely has a lot of HP.
Verdict: balanced
Entropy Wizard - This unit suffers from similar issues as the Entropy Mage. It needs a lot of HP to be better than Chaos.
Verdict: should probably not loose damage when it gets hit.
One Man Army - the maximum amount of buffage this guy gets is +8 stats if every other slot is empty. That's pretty weak, especially since it's more likely +6 as other slots are occupied by the units you're gathering to upgrade it. On the other hand, it's extremely cost-effective, and allows you to concentrate fully on upgrading it.
Verdict: I guess it can't be made too strong. Though it could do with a buff like "randomly +1+0 or +0+2"
Round Warrior - What prevents me from simply putting a Healer into my first army slot instead? That's the same amount of HP per turn. Also this unit itself is a bad recipient for its own buff. Units like the Hoplite or Assassin just make twice as much out of it.
Verdict: the amount of stats this gets is really underwhelming. Should be minimum +0+6.
Three Swords Style - This suffers all the same downsides as the One Man Army. The max stats i grants are +24. The one thing keeping it afloat are the One Man Army's stats. I guess at least you can just slam items onto it like crazy?
Six Armed Demon - The amount of buffs is dissatisfying. Just like the Three Swords Style, it mostly gets carried by its Tier2 unit. It then makes for a decent frontline unit while you start collecting a backline.
Double Verdict: these 2 units are mostly being hampered by the concept. They can't be too strong, otherwise you'd have a braindead strategy. I think it's fun to have a meme strat or two though, so they're fine as they come. Alternatively, one of them could diverge from the theme and gain a completely different ability, that gives it a power multiplier - like double attack or damage reduction.
Beetle Guard - you upgrade a unit that gets the same HP as the Healer grants, but only on itself to a unit that gets LESS HP than the Super Healer grants, but only on itself.
Verdict: both Beetle Guard and Round Warrior need to gain WAY more stats. I'd give this one at least double of what it receives at the moment.
Mush Knight - This is the sole reason I'd build round warriors for. If you're lucky, you can end up with a bunch of 1-attack enemies. Unfortunately it gets slaughtered by high attack units.
Verdict: The attack reduction needs to be a % value rather than a flat value. The greatest danger to this unit are high attack units after all. Alternatively, it could be reworked to reduce the enemy maximum damage. E.g. after their first attack, the enemy's attack is reduced to 50 if it is higher. Then to 45, then to 40, etc.
Again love the game I just wish there were pairs of units that just go together like how in SAP the horse and cricket go together. I also wish you could freeze one thing then roll without losing that thing
Sry for nagging you with my unnecessary requests lol
there are units that go together, just not rly in tier 1, also going from auto pets to this, the mass freeze felt a little weird, but now i like it, it helps this game differentiate from auto pets, and also idk why but i just feel smarter using mass freeze and thinking about whether i should roll again if i've got like 2 gold, and see if i can get 2 units i want, or freeze here and for sure get 1 unit i want
Would be really nice if hovering over reroll told you it costs, at first I thought it was basically a button to cheat, equivalent to save summing or something, then when i did use it I didn't notice my gold was gone and lost as a result.
I find damage confusing. Like I think the red number is damage, but then why does the archer description give mention to doing 1 damage up front and not the other dude? Shouldn't it be "+1" since it already deals 1 by default?
I fought my own army in "Player Combat" and the funny part is that the armies consisted of a super boosted Piercer agaisnt a super boosted Shadow and it ended in a draw
i will make a tier list for tier 3 (the ones i can remember and the ones i have unlocked)
(This Tier List Is Very Long Lik-)
Ranks:
S Tier = Is OP
A Tier = Is The Best
B Tier = A Good Option
D Tier = A Decent Choice
F Tier = It's A Unbalanced Unit (in a bad way)
Z Tier = Reserved For Knife Thrower
List Of Tier 3s:
Big Backpack = B Tier
cuz big and backpack starts with b and cuz there isn't a good amount of tier 1 gear
Overprepped = D Tier
Rat man is better (cuz Lievven said so)
Rat Man = B Tier
while hoarder is bad rat man is 2 times better
Time Traveler = B Tier
while any tier of gear above 1 is good you only get four so its b tier (also cuz there is no T Tier)
Akimbo = F Tier
there is a lot of units that have this same ability but different range a hoplite is better cuz only cost 9 gold for 2 less range
Soul Musician = S Tier
this is OP when you have a lot of low health units
Tamborinist = A Tier
it heals your whole team by 2 health after attacking (unless it dies lol)
Graduate = S Tier
its good mid game since you focus on buying units instead of gear
Life Coach = S Tier
same with Graduate
Necromancer = F Tier
why does this exist it would be D Tier if its range was five or it could be a S Tier if a unit dies it is revive it with one hp once
Super Cleric = A Tier
its good if the front unit is protecting a 2 or/and 3 range unit or it a ability to reduce damage
Long Thrower = D Tier
Sprinkler Is Better
Piercer = D Tier
Sprinkler Is Better
Spiked Shield = D Tier
its good up frant if it has 300 hp at least (and Sprinkler Is Better)
Sprinkler = S Tier
Give This Unit 200 Attack And You Already Got A Victory
Chaos = B Tier
its a good clean up unit
Entropy Wizard = S Tier
Give This Unit 200 Attack 300 Health And You Already Have A Victory
Meteor Mage = S Tier
Give This Unit 200 Attack And You Already Got A Victory
Volcano Mage = B Tier
its a good clean up unit
ATM Machine = A Tier
money
Couponer = S Tier
GEAR GEAR GEAR GEAR GEAR GEAR
Dragon = D Tier
dis is D Tier cuz dragon starts with d (note rerolling does NOT buff the dragon)
Bargainer = F Tier
if you get this before turn 5 its A Tier
3 Sword Style = B Tier
this is b tier but the tier 4 " " and " " is good since if the battle results in a loss it breaks the game
Beetle Guard = A Tier
hp good
Mushroom thing i forgot what its was called = D Tier
Why You Reduce tack is not that good
Six Armed demon = B Tier
is good
Acid Thrower = B Tier
Good Behind The Front Unit
Monster = S Tier
Give This Unit 100 Attack And You Already Got A Victory
Knife Thrower = Z Tier
like the scorpion (super auto pets reference) but why would you use 27 rouges (equal to 81 gold) for a 1000 damage unit plus it is possible to get 1001 hp
Shadow = S Tier
it's in s tier cuz shadow starts with s and if you Give This Unit 200 Attack And You Already Got A Victory
Armory = S Tier
attack time be like
Furnace = B Tier
if you pair this with 1 Couponer And 6 ATMs And Sell The ATMs You Get The Most Gear Available
Overprepped logic also applies to Big Backpack. (both just half as strong as their counterpart).
Akimbo is still B-tier, it effectively gets the HP of the units in front of it. Works great together with Mages and a pure tank frontline.
Piercer is probably A-tier. It and the Hoplite are a lot more reliable than the Sprinkler and Javeliner, so I've had a better time making them my carry. Plus triple attack usually only needs 2 attacks to win anyway, after the first of which all dangers would be dead. (Or if they're still alive, you'd be worse off with the Sprinkler)
Knife Thrower is only 9 Rogues and costs 27 Gold (like any other Tier3). It's still the worst unit in the game. It would be a decent unit if it didn't die instantly. If you're worried about it being overpowered, make the bonus damage 100.
Living Weapon/Weapon Limbs are both weaker than their respective counterpart. Maybe B-tier, with some niche options. Attack buffs have diminishing returns: at that point in the game you probably want to spread them more evenly, rather than hyperbuffing the one frontliner that can already oneshot most things.
A lot of these units are ranked pretty nicely though.
Great game! Have been playing since monday and have enjoyed it so far. I have a few questions.
First: Sometimes enemy clerics spawn with 0 damage, so I supose their initial stats are randomiced?
Second: From wich country can you download the game? Says unaviable from mine and I'm looking forward to play it without requiring any kind of conection.
Originally the Cleric was a 0/4 but was changed in a recent update. We didn't go back and fix some of the armies you fought against though, so thats probably why they still have 0 atk.
We're looking to release in more countries soon! I believe now were only released in the US and Canada.
I've posted on Tier-2 unit balance before, and wanted to expand this to all units that I feel need some change after I have completed the unitpedia (again). Please excuse any negativity, since I'm mostly mentioning the weaker units (some stronger ones might come later). The game won't be any less awesome because of them. So I hope everyone gets to enjoy post 1, featuring:
The Hiker - I've considered this unit weak before, but ever since changed my opinion. It only gets +4 permanent stats per round, but the temporary +2+2 item and the great scaling of its Tier1 ancestor make this a great early game unit that doesn't require any buffing.
Verdict: balanced
The Hoarder - In theory this can grant a ton of stats, in practice you can't afford that many items. It scales better in the lategame with upgraded shopkeepers, but is trash up until you've almost won anyway. On top of that, having 2 doesn't scale any better than having only 1.
Verdict: easily fixable by duplicating any item you place on any unit on itself. That way having 2 of them is better than having 1, and you can target the items on the units that need them.
Big Backpack - By my calculations, this one should get +8 permanent stats per round on itself. Horrible compared to other Tier3 buff units that grant up to +18 stats on better targets, and also weaker than his brother.
Verdict: needs a rework, always just a strictly better or worse alternative than the TImetraveller
Overprepped - This unit is actually a downgrade of the Hiker. The duplicate item is better on other units, that use the stats better through multi-attack or similar scalings.
Verdict: should receive the item 4 times
Shop Keep - This unit is bad. You'd have to buy 3 items every single round, to justify not having any other buffing unit instead. Again, having two of these doesn't scale either.
Verdict: needs buff, maybe reduce the price of the first two items bought by 2. That way you'd have more of an incentive to buy items, and with two of these you'd either get 4 items off, or the 2 items are free.
Bargain Seeker - This unit has its priorities completely backwards. First a discount on items (when you need units) and later a discount on units (when you want items). Plus you need to buy 3 units every round to beat the Banker, a Tier2 unit.
Verdict: at the very least, this should discount BOTH shops. Or grant a bigger discount for the first few units bought. Potentially grant you a number of free rerolls every round.
Dragon - Gains +1 stats per gold spent. That's 10 stats per round. On itself, the worst possible target. This shares the spot for the worst Tier3 buffing unit in the game with the Big Backpack & the Overgeared.
Verdict: make it more unique. This could hoard (save) gold between turns. Gain massive attack buffs from unspent gold. Give it 5 range (makes sense for a mighty Dragon, no?) Or simply just increase the buff to 2x or 3x per gold spent. Go all-out, this can have 3x the stats of a Shadow or Piercer without being (more) broken.
Longbowman - Generally range is amazing, but 5 range just isn't better than 3 range. In the first place, before getting a 5 range unit I'd get a 2 and 3 range unit. At that point, you're already pretty saturated with damage and the Longbowman is likely just overkilling the enemy frontline. It also isn't safer than a 3 range unit, because of Assassins and some of its range is taken away by the downside.
Verdict: at least remove the downside. It still wouldn't be my preferred choice, but it could be useful if its upgrades are good. Alternatively give it some bonus damage so it doesn't require buffing to do anything.1
Long Crossbowman - This one suffers from the same range issue as the longbowman. Usually Akimbo just beats it. Also after upgrading it, the 3-range slot is now open, giving the range almost not benefit at all.
Verdict: it's still a decent niche option, but it might be better to rework. Maybe make it a piercing attack that hits the first 3 units for 10 damage or something similar.
Longer Bowman - Still the range issue. It's a decent niche upgrade though, since it hits the backline - something not many units do. The double damage is a nice extra, but not particularly good. At the point where you get this, you should have some massive damage buffs already (or you're overextending items by buffing multiple units that all need attack)
Verdict: usually a waste of gold, but maybe it could find a place in some teams that don't utilize buffing units. Potentially change the double damage to a flat damage bonus.
Sniper - Again, the range issue. This unit's niche however is definitely no-buff comps. In general that seems to be where the Longbowmen are heading. Unfortunately, I do not think that it is that viable compared to Poisoners or Volcano Mages, simply due to the base unit having almost no attack.
Verdict: Longbowmen need a flat attack bonus to make this viable.
Any units from the Adventurer, Money Bags & Archer lines that I haven't mentioned are likely in a good place (at least based on my thoughts), or will be if their predecessors get a buff.
i just thought if a rogue in front goes against another rogue up front then the back units will only get hit (unless range) so that problem could cause a lot of problems like soft locks and bugs
Anyways, Here Are Ideas For Update
x Win Option: You Can Set How Many Wins To Get To Get A Victory
Endless: You Might Already Been Planning To Add That Anyways
Campaign? : A Campaign Sounds Cool With Bosses I Guess
Pause And Fast forward: Freeze Plus Speed
Private And Public Versus: lag go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Cosmetics : yes gain them from campaign or buy with points from winning
New units : units that are new
custom versus rules: i can't wait to see lobbies with settings like only use rouge and 1 life
(i dont like pressing left shift anymore)
ranked mode: rank
casual mode: casu
gear effects : stuff like "20% to dodge but when dodge let unit behing take damage"
Eventually the rogues would kill the back units until one worked its way up and would hit the front unit.
We have a couple of these that we're thinking of implementing in the future. Our next update will have new units!
Ranked is stretch goal for sure, as well as a longer mode that we can try to implement with out current setup! Currently the game stops if you go past 30 turns just because of saving/loading data for armies. I'm looking in a way to make this longer so we can have longer games.
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solo team buffing still works?
Pros:
Unaffected By The Fool, The Reverser, And The Jester
If You Picked The Right Unit You Can Win
S T A T S
Cons:
Might Lose Mid Game
Picture:
I'd say Solo Buffing works better with the Ogre or Sprinkler, as the Monster lacks the reliability to handle full teams especially when you first get it
of course i know ogre or sprinkler it better why do you think i have 1 hp left
misclick gang
Tier List Time
Warning: This List Is Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Long And Boring So You Might Misread Something
This Tier List Will Contain All Units And There Tiers (thanks to @flowG for the spreed sheet from the discord)
S Tier = Is OP
A Tier = Is 75% OP?
B Tier = Is Good
C Tier = Is Decent
D Tier = Is Less Decent
F Tier = Bad
Z Tier = Reserved For The Worst Of The Worst (no spoilers)
Base Unit Tier List (the ones from the shop)
Adventurer = B Tier
This Unit's Left Path Is Focused On Gear Scaling While The Right Path Is Focused On Gear But The Base Unit Is Good Since It Could Be Either A 2/4 A 3/2 Or A 4/4
Archer = C Tier
Base Unit Is Decent And All Of This Units Paths Are All About R A N G E
Bard = C Tier
Base Unit Gives +1 Health To All Newly Bought Units But Its Evolution Has Nothing To Do With The Base Line Unit Instead It Just An AoE Buffing Unit
Cleric = B Tier
H E A L T H G I V E R
Farmer = B Tier
I Would've Given This Unit S Tier But Some Of You Guys Are Good At Unit Picking
Jester = B Tier
card
Lancer = C Tier
Left Path Is Team Destroyer Right Path Is Reverse Rogue
Mage = A Tier
M A G I C
Money Bags = B Tier
Left Path Is About Making More Money Right Path Is About Saving Money Base Unit Is Sell
Recruit = B Tier
Left Path Is Lonely Right Path Is Reverse Cleric Base Unit Is Same As Right Path
Rouge = B Tier
A N G E R
Smith = C Tier
The Attack Giver
Warrior = C Tier
Left Path Is More Offensive Right Path Is More Defensive Base Unit Does Nothing
This Is Part 1 Out Of 3 So Wait Next Time For Part 2 Where I Rank The Second Paths (sorry for putting you on a cliffhanger lol)
Knife Thrower is too weak, it should not have the disadvantage of taking 1000 damage.
i disagree since people will just buff the health more and more since its like a better berserker and that will be an unfair meta build
It's a single attack, so even if it has high health, it won't be that strong
? i thought you said to remove the disadvantage of taking 1000 damage if it was removed and it has high health to almost survive any attack then it could delete all teams (as well of many other tier 3 units but that's besides the point)
What I'm saying is that even if the disadvantage is removed from Knife Thrower, it will not be overpowered
... wut? It does 1000 extra damage and then dies you are basically saying to remove the part where the unit dies
so if it can survive after having a 100% destroying without dying it can do it again so if he doesn't die (meaning he has high health) it will be so good that some armies on the player armies will have an high hp knife thrower basically almost removing the casual players
i will need all (most is ok) of the units tier 1 to 3 (flow chart is good) but you dont have to do it
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b5DbnsFeXgtlbQndqiFeLaxsDbtQIH2jkXDI3P06... someone posted this in the discord
nice thanks
Will there eventually be a PC downloadable release so there won't be unitpedia and history loss? Or is that currently todo later and the fix will encompass the web version too? (Although I don't like relying on cookies either, but I don't know how itch.io games save online progress so the data may not be as volatile as I think)
Ideally, both! We're aiming to have a Windows downloadable version, as well as Accounts to prevent the Unitpedia being wiped in a future update!
They just kinda chose peace instead, so now I have to start over-
Yeah it happens often since the last update it is boring as fuck
Has this been happening to you at all in the last ~12 hours? That's when v0.31 went live and attempts to fix this
Apologies for that! We're trying to fix instances where this is occurring
I just pushed a fix for this issue (Hopefully) let me know if you run into any more issues!
pacifist run time
Fun Fact: The Maximum Money You Can Have Is 70
(too bad i forgot to screenshot it before the 0.31 patch)Patch v0.31 is now live!
Thanks for everyone that found the bugs in the v0.3, we really appreciate all of your feedback! Here's the things that the hotfix has fixed:
-Enemy Card Throwers hitting their own team
-Being able to combine Tier 3 Units
-The Unit Selection exploit
-Card thrower's description was missing a period, and Ogre's has an extra "for"
In addition, we are wiping the current database of armies since some of you gamers beat the game using glitched armies. So for the first few times you play, you may be seeing the same enemy team over and over again, but this will be fixed with time. Thanks again for all of the feedback!
add yordle dodge
OMG NEW UPDATE HAS GITLACH PLS NEFR TIHS GITACH IS TOO OP !?!?!??!??!?
This has been fixed in the new hotfix and will be patched out in a few minutes! Thanks for finding this!
We're planning a hotfix tonight / tomorrow, just so everyone knows!
Game hangs on 10th battle more than once. (Advanced and Hard). Running Brave if that helps.
We're looking to get some fixes for this out tonight!
happens before 10th battle too
Pls upload it on french google play
We're looking to get it out to more countries soon!
Hey everyone, as you might have seen Version 0.3 is OUT!! (On itch and shortly Google Play)
You can see all the updates here: https://ccwaterboy.itch.io/rerolling-knights/devlog/337980/rerolling-knights-v03
Liking the devlog does a lot for visibility so if you could like the devlog when you read it it'd make me very happy :)
Thanks again for playing our game!
v0.3 LET'S GO!!
nice
Awesome. The ambient music and dsesign simplicity is truly a work of art
Thanks so much <3
the adventurer is my favorite unit :)
It was one of the more fun ones to make as well, glad you like it :)
I just beat the game without a single buff on any of my units in PvP mode:
And man was that hard. It took me 29 tries.
That is....truly impressive ._.
hey >:( i was trying to do that
Tihihi. You can try doing it in less than 29 attempts. You can see the comp here.
And if you wanna snipe my goal... currently trying to make the Knife Thrower work.
hmmm i mean its good on the back but it cannot summon anything when it faints to result in a win plus there are units that can target the back
new tier list + gear tier list after update gets released
If you wanna see a new unit we revealed that will be released this weekend, we teased it on our twitter!!
Check it out here: https://twitter.com/RerollingKnight/status/1483894330871984133?s=20
Checked Your Twitter On My Non-Existing Twitter Account And I Don't Want To Spoil Anything But I Am Excited
Great!
Love the patapon aesthetic, power creep really got me at the end!
UI could use some work QOL work, like the frozen effect and the selling units.
May I suggest an endless mode? :D
... like a lot of other people suggested that and the devs might have been already planned that in the next update
It's not going to be in the next update, but we're looking to add a longer mode in the future!
Endless might be off the table, but maybe like a 30 turn mode or something
30 turns is probably enough haha
necromancer with 1 attack vs necromancer with 1 attack, what happens
necromancer can't have 1 attack
And, because I feel really motivated at the moment here's Balance Commentary part 3. Please excuse any negativity, since I'm mostly mentioning the weaker units. The game won't be any less awesome because of them. So I hope everyone gets to enjoy post 3, featuring:
Assassin - This unit is almost too good. It completely circumvents the frontline AND hits 2 units. The only downside is when it dies, and the enemy backline doesn't. And maybe its low base HP.
Verdict: one of the top units in the game. IF you want to nerf it, maybe give it the Knife Thrower's ability instead.
Poisoner - Another top unit in my opinion. It cleans up the backline squishies safely from the 2nd row. It also doesn't need attack buffs.
Verdict: another top unit. IF you want to nerf it, either reduce its range (that's less of a nerf than it sounds like, I play it in the 1st row a lot) or make it simply hit everyone for 2, without attacking normally.
Monster - Some people say that it's S-tier, I personally think that it's mostly fine. The attack is halved and the targets are random. Other units are somewhat more reliable.
Verdict: I think it's okay, but as a nerf reducing the amount of attacks to 4 is an easy option without a massive impact.
Shadow - An incredibly strong unit. Most of the time, it will oneshot the 3 units in the back. Makes for an amazing carry, more so because the Assassin is similarly amazing.
Verdict: nerfing this directly is really hard. A rework would be a better idea. I'd simply rework the Assassin to be weaker, leaving the Shadow nerfed as a result.
Knife Thrower - On paper, this unit isn't even that bad. You likely kill a Tier3 tank unit and the Knife Thrower needs no investments. In practice, the Assassin is just so much better. Why would you leave the Assassins unbuffed? Either you buff the Assassins and then downgrade them, or you're gathering terribly weak Tier2 units and die before you get the Knife Thrower.
Short Verdict: bad unit, needs rework
Long Verdict: one buff would be to remove the damage to itself, and reduce the bonus damage to say 50 or 100. I'd also swap it with the Monster, since the Monster is a unit that wants buff, just like the Assassin. Meanwhile the Knife Thrower is a unit that DOESN'T want buffs, just like the Poisoner.
There's also another option: this unit is meant to be a counter against strong frontliners. It's whack to gather a counter that's a Tier3 unit, and would have a better find in a Tier2 unit. So one option would be to switch it with the Assassin, or even give it its own unit branch. As a Tier1 unit, it might deal 10 damage to the target and itself. As a Tier2 unit, it might deal an additional 50 damage to the target and itself. Maybe there's a Tier2 variant that deals an extra 20 to the target, but not itself. There's a lot of things that can happen here.
Living Weapon - This unit is a lot weaker than the Armory. At the point where you get it, the front unit likely already has a lot of attack. I'd much rather spread my attack out a bit more, especially with ranged units the frontline profits from that anyway.Verdict: there's a niche for this, the buff value should probably be the same as the Armory's though.
Weapon Limbs - This unit doesn't suffer the drawbacks of Living Weapon, because it triggers when shopping. That means that you can reposition your units to specifically get the buff on the target you want.
Verdict: don't think this is like the Living Weapon. This one needs to gain less stats the the Furnace. I repeat: do not buff.
Berserker - You get +8 stats once. That should tell you how bad this unit is.
Verdict: must be buffed. For example, it could temporarily gain +8 attack each time it attacks. Or it could gain +3 attack each round.
Shield Knight - To be better than the Berserker, this unit must be hit 9 times. It's just as bad.
Verdict: must be buffed. For example, it could be immune during the first round of combat, or it could prevent attacks against the backline, taking the damage in their stead.
A Shield? - This unit is hard to rate. It counters certain units in the game, but overall I don't think it's too good. One of the issues is that it's both a front and backline unit (you want it in the backline, to grant its buff as long as possible, but you probably buffed the Shield Knights with lots of HP). This would be a great unit if you know what you'll be fighting against, but so far I consider it bad.
Verdict: must be buffed. I like the "invulnerable during the 1st round" idea here as well. Maybe it could extend it to the entire army. Similar with the taking damage in their stead thing. I think the issue is that most backline targeting units (other than the Fire Mage) just oneshot their targets, and 5 less damage won't help.
Tower Knight - This is the HP equivalent to attacking 2 enemies. So technically speaking that would mean it follows more of a Tier2 curve. It is a fairly strong unit anyway, however I would never get it as its ancestor is just too bad. Offense still reigns supreme.
Verdict: what this unit needs is a buff to the Shield Knight. This also makes me think that maybe the Shield Knight could take half damage and the Tower Knight only 1/3rd? Or possibly both take half damage, but the Shield Knight only from the frontline.
Barbarian - This one is a really cool unit. It is the only unit in the game that deals double damage against the frontline (also a thing that the Berserker could get). It also gets extra attacks against backline attackers.
Verdict: cool unit and in a great place
Ogre - The strongest lategame unit in the game. It obliterates almost every teamcomp with a single attack if it's buffed sufficiently. The only way to win against an Ogre is to have a unit yourself that can solo the Ogre's army. Speaking thusly, it might actually make sense that the Berserker is this weak, simply to balance out the Ogre.
Verdict: this unit is very hard to balance. Honestly speaking, nerfing it will probably leave it weaker than the other multiattack units (unless you do something like reduce the damage to 40% of its attack). Maybe also give it a drawback like taking double damage. Alternatively, it could deal double damage and any excess damage carries over to the next unit.
Final option would be to nerf all multiattack units. In that case, maybe the Ogre would hit the first 3 units. A nerf isn't mandatory either; so far it still requires a lot of investment to get the Ogre rolling and at that point every other teamcomp I got also steamrolled almost everything. Might be best to just see how good it is in the future.
tell me you got an op team without telling me you got an op team
in the end the pink guy's (can't remember the name lol) had 192 damage
Ya know, Ogre's are a lot like Onions.
They make me cry when they're suddenly in my face.
lol true
Balance Commentary Post 2 incoming. Please excuse any negativity, since I'm mostly mentioning the weaker units. The game won't be any less awesome because of them. So I hope everyone gets to enjoy post 2, featuring:
Bards - I like every single Bard unit, they all have a decent spot for themselves. I could see using each of them in some set of circumstances.
Verdict: fun & balanced
Super Cleric/Healer - I think they're generally weaker than the Scholar branch. Obviously the HP are better on the frontliner, but it is possible to focus the Scholar a bit more by leaving it in the barracks. I think the Healer's thing is more that you can leave it in the Army, where it won't be doing much because it lacks range.
Verdict: overall a good unit, would benefit from having 2 range like the Scholars.
Necromancer - I've said many times before, that buffs are better on the units that need them. The Necromancer doesn't need them. Worse yet, it grants itself a measly 5 HP per attack. Chances are it gets hit before even getting 30HP for itself. At that point, the Super Cleric would've done more. The range doesn't help much either, since the Healer never had any to begin with.
Verdict: this unit needs a rework, or a massive buff. @TheRealAskz proposed reviving units on 1 HP once, which I like. Or maybe increase the buff value to +10+10 (that's in line with the Tambourinist btw.).
Long Thrower - Another unit that suffers the 5-range issue. At the point where you get it, you're already overkilling the enemy frontline, and you're also opening up the 2-range slot in your army. The Sprinkler is just always the better option.
Verdict: it still provides an alternative niche, but it should probably get a damage boost or more reliable piercing effect. E.g. make it attack the 2nd unit if the 1st unit is already dead.
Spiked Shield - So instead of dealing its attack to the squishier and more dangerous 2nd and 3rd units, it deals up to 25 bonus damage to the front unit. That's just terrible. E.g. the Barbarian attacks the attacking unit back. The Spiked Shield is much, much worse than that. I guess its purpose is to melt the frontline, but it is terrible at it. Hitting the backline is just always better, unless it's a 1-unit team. But it's even worse against those.
Verdict: this requires heavy buffing. At the very least it should retaliate equal it its attack or half its HP. You could also increase the amount to 20. Or, if you want it to be really unique: return half the damage to the sender (shouldn't reduce the damage it takes though, otherwise it's just a better Tower Knight)
Fire Mage - This might be the first unit I mention because it is really good. It's just amazing at clearing out the squishy backline. With optimal targeting it can sometimes kill 3 units at the start of combat.
Verdict: I would still leave it as is though, since it's a great enabler of low-buff teams.
Entropy Mage - In general terms, this unit is weaker than the Fire Mage, but I think it has a wonderful niche for itself in which it excels. The unfortunate part is that it looses its damage as it gets hit, so it can be unreliable at times.
Verdict: it's in a decent spot. It doesn't need buffs if AOE units overall get nerfed. Otherwise, there's 2 options: either before combat its attack becomes half its HP, or the weaker buff would be that it uses its attack once its HP are too low.
Chaos - I think this is a great unit. Amazing for a team without damage buffs. It deals an average of 50 damage per round, usually targeting better enemies than the frontline. The big part is that because of the nature of its predecessor, it likely has a lot of HP.
Verdict: balanced
Entropy Wizard - This unit suffers from similar issues as the Entropy Mage. It needs a lot of HP to be better than Chaos.
Verdict: should probably not loose damage when it gets hit.
One Man Army - the maximum amount of buffage this guy gets is +8 stats if every other slot is empty. That's pretty weak, especially since it's more likely +6 as other slots are occupied by the units you're gathering to upgrade it. On the other hand, it's extremely cost-effective, and allows you to concentrate fully on upgrading it.
Verdict: I guess it can't be made too strong. Though it could do with a buff like "randomly +1+0 or +0+2"
Round Warrior - What prevents me from simply putting a Healer into my first army slot instead? That's the same amount of HP per turn. Also this unit itself is a bad recipient for its own buff. Units like the Hoplite or Assassin just make twice as much out of it.
Verdict: the amount of stats this gets is really underwhelming. Should be minimum +0+6.
Three Swords Style - This suffers all the same downsides as the One Man Army. The max stats i grants are +24. The one thing keeping it afloat are the One Man Army's stats. I guess at least you can just slam items onto it like crazy?
Six Armed Demon - The amount of buffs is dissatisfying. Just like the Three Swords Style, it mostly gets carried by its Tier2 unit. It then makes for a decent frontline unit while you start collecting a backline.
Double Verdict: these 2 units are mostly being hampered by the concept. They can't be too strong, otherwise you'd have a braindead strategy. I think it's fun to have a meme strat or two though, so they're fine as they come. Alternatively, one of them could diverge from the theme and gain a completely different ability, that gives it a power multiplier - like double attack or damage reduction.
Beetle Guard - you upgrade a unit that gets the same HP as the Healer grants, but only on itself to a unit that gets LESS HP than the Super Healer grants, but only on itself.
Verdict: both Beetle Guard and Round Warrior need to gain WAY more stats. I'd give this one at least double of what it receives at the moment.
Mush Knight - This is the sole reason I'd build round warriors for. If you're lucky, you can end up with a bunch of 1-attack enemies. Unfortunately it gets slaughtered by high attack units.
Verdict: The attack reduction needs to be a % value rather than a flat value. The greatest danger to this unit are high attack units after all. Alternatively, it could be reworked to reduce the enemy maximum damage. E.g. after their first attack, the enemy's attack is reduced to 50 if it is higher. Then to 45, then to 40, etc.
Again love the game I just wish there were pairs of units that just go together like how in SAP the horse and cricket go together. I also wish you could freeze one thing then roll without losing that thing
Sry for nagging you with my unnecessary requests lol
there are units that go together, just not rly in tier 1, also going from auto pets to this, the mass freeze felt a little weird, but now i like it, it helps this game differentiate from auto pets, and also idk why but i just feel smarter using mass freeze and thinking about whether i should roll again if i've got like 2 gold, and see if i can get 2 units i want, or freeze here and for sure get 1 unit i want
yeah i agree im always questioning whether or not I should risk rerolling
Couple of things:
for the archer it means that when its at the front it deals 1 damage, no matter how high you make its attack. its a debuff not a buff
If you have sprinkler in second slot behind a tanky boi with tons of damage it destroys EVERYTHING
I fought my own army in "Player Combat" and the funny part is that the armies consisted of a super boosted Piercer agaisnt a super boosted Shadow and it ended in a draw
i will make a tier list for tier 3 (the ones i can remember and the ones i have unlocked)
(This Tier List Is Very Long Lik-)
Ranks:
S Tier = Is OP
A Tier = Is The Best
B Tier = A Good Option
D Tier = A Decent Choice
F Tier = It's A Unbalanced Unit (in a bad way)
Z Tier = Reserved For Knife Thrower
List Of Tier 3s:
Big Backpack = B Tier
cuz big and backpack starts with b and cuz there isn't a good amount of tier 1 gear
Overprepped = D Tier
Rat man is better (cuz Lievven said so)
Rat Man = B Tier
while hoarder is bad rat man is 2 times better
Time Traveler = B Tier
while any tier of gear above 1 is good you only get four so its b tier (also cuz there is no T Tier)
Akimbo = F Tier
there is a lot of units that have this same ability but different range a hoplite is better cuz only cost 9 gold for 2 less range
Soul Musician = S Tier
this is OP when you have a lot of low health units
Tamborinist = A Tier
it heals your whole team by 2 health after attacking (unless it dies lol)
Graduate = S Tier
its good mid game since you focus on buying units instead of gear
Life Coach = S Tier
same with Graduate
Necromancer = F Tier
why does this exist it would be D Tier if its range was five or it could be a S Tier if a unit dies it is revive it with one hp once
Super Cleric = A Tier
its good if the front unit is protecting a 2 or/and 3 range unit or it a ability to reduce damage
Long Thrower = D Tier
Sprinkler Is Better
Piercer = D Tier
Sprinkler Is Better
Spiked Shield = D Tier
its good up frant if it has 300 hp at least (and Sprinkler Is Better)
Sprinkler = S Tier
Give This Unit 200 Attack And You Already Got A Victory
Chaos = B Tier
its a good clean up unit
Entropy Wizard = S Tier
Give This Unit
200 Attack300 Health And You Already Have A VictoryMeteor Mage = S Tier
Give This Unit 200 Attack And You Already Got A Victory
Volcano Mage = B Tier
its a good clean up unit
ATM Machine = A Tier
money
Couponer = S Tier
GEAR GEAR GEAR GEAR GEAR GEAR
Dragon = D Tier
dis is D Tier cuz dragon starts with d (note rerolling does NOT buff the dragon)
Bargainer = F Tier
if you get this before turn 5 its A Tier
3 Sword Style = B Tier
this is b tier but the tier 4 " " and " " is good since if the battle results in a loss it breaks the game
Beetle Guard = A Tier
hp good
Mushroom thing i forgot what its was called = D Tier
Why You Reduce tack is not that good
Six Armed demon = B Tier
is good
Acid Thrower = B Tier
Good Behind The Front Unit
Monster = S Tier
Give This Unit 100 Attack And You Already Got A Victory
Knife Thrower = Z Tier
like the scorpion (super auto pets reference) but why would you use 27 rouges (equal to 81 gold) for a 1000 damage unit plus it is possible to get 1001 hp
Shadow = S Tier
it's in s tier cuz shadow starts with s and if you Give This Unit 200 Attack And You Already Got A Victory
Armory = S Tier
attack time be like
Furnace = B Tier
if you pair this with 1 Couponer And 6 ATMs And Sell The ATMs You Get The Most Gear Available
Living Weapon = A Tier
fren with super cleric
Weapon Limbs = F Tier
Living Weapon Is Better
A Shield = B Tier
less damage < more hp
Tower Knight = A Tier
halfed damage < 5 less damage < more hp
Ogre = S Tier
Give This Unit 400 Attack And You Already Won
(i'm ready for the angry replies)
the edits will be here cuz lag issues
Edit: Necromancer Also Could Be When A Unit Dies Revive That Unit With 10/10 Stats To Make It B Tier
Where Rock Star?
oh yea forgot about that that is an A Tier since buffing attack and health is good
Thanks for putting this together! We'll look this over when were doing balancing for the patch this weekend!
Overprepped logic also applies to Big Backpack. (both just half as strong as their counterpart).
Akimbo is still B-tier, it effectively gets the HP of the units in front of it. Works great together with Mages and a pure tank frontline.
Piercer is probably A-tier. It and the Hoplite are a lot more reliable than the Sprinkler and Javeliner, so I've had a better time making them my carry. Plus triple attack usually only needs 2 attacks to win anyway, after the first of which all dangers would be dead. (Or if they're still alive, you'd be worse off with the Sprinkler)
Knife Thrower is only 9 Rogues and costs 27 Gold (like any other Tier3). It's still the worst unit in the game. It would be a decent unit if it didn't die instantly. If you're worried about it being overpowered, make the bonus damage 100.
Living Weapon/Weapon Limbs are both weaker than their respective counterpart. Maybe B-tier, with some niche options. Attack buffs have diminishing returns: at that point in the game you probably want to spread them more evenly, rather than hyperbuffing the one frontliner that can already oneshot most things.
A lot of these units are ranked pretty nicely though.
Great game! Have been playing since monday and have enjoyed it so far. I have a few questions.
First: Sometimes enemy clerics spawn with 0 damage, so I supose their initial stats are randomiced?
Second: From wich country can you download the game? Says unaviable from mine and I'm looking forward to play it without requiring any kind of conection.
Glad you like it!
Originally the Cleric was a 0/4 but was changed in a recent update. We didn't go back and fix some of the armies you fought against though, so thats probably why they still have 0 atk.
We're looking to release in more countries soon! I believe now were only released in the US and Canada.
this game is great, congratulations =D
Thanks!
I've posted on Tier-2 unit balance before, and wanted to expand this to all units that I feel need some change after I have completed the unitpedia (again). Please excuse any negativity, since I'm mostly mentioning the weaker units (some stronger ones might come later). The game won't be any less awesome because of them. So I hope everyone gets to enjoy post 1, featuring:
The Hiker - I've considered this unit weak before, but ever since changed my opinion. It only gets +4 permanent stats per round, but the temporary +2+2 item and the great scaling of its Tier1 ancestor make this a great early game unit that doesn't require any buffing.
Verdict: balanced
The Hoarder - In theory this can grant a ton of stats, in practice you can't afford that many items. It scales better in the lategame with upgraded shopkeepers, but is trash up until you've almost won anyway. On top of that, having 2 doesn't scale any better than having only 1.
Verdict: easily fixable by duplicating any item you place on any unit on itself. That way having 2 of them is better than having 1, and you can target the items on the units that need them.
Big Backpack - By my calculations, this one should get +8 permanent stats per round on itself. Horrible compared to other Tier3 buff units that grant up to +18 stats on better targets, and also weaker than his brother.
Verdict: needs a rework, always just a strictly better or worse alternative than the TImetraveller
Overprepped - This unit is actually a downgrade of the Hiker. The duplicate item is better on other units, that use the stats better through multi-attack or similar scalings.
Verdict: should receive the item 4 times
Shop Keep - This unit is bad. You'd have to buy 3 items every single round, to justify not having any other buffing unit instead. Again, having two of these doesn't scale either.
Verdict: needs buff, maybe reduce the price of the first two items bought by 2. That way you'd have more of an incentive to buy items, and with two of these you'd either get 4 items off, or the 2 items are free.
Bargain Seeker - This unit has its priorities completely backwards. First a discount on items (when you need units) and later a discount on units (when you want items). Plus you need to buy 3 units every round to beat the Banker, a Tier2 unit.
Verdict: at the very least, this should discount BOTH shops. Or grant a bigger discount for the first few units bought. Potentially grant you a number of free rerolls every round.
Dragon - Gains +1 stats per gold spent. That's 10 stats per round. On itself, the worst possible target. This shares the spot for the worst Tier3 buffing unit in the game with the Big Backpack & the Overgeared.
Verdict: make it more unique. This could hoard (save) gold between turns. Gain massive attack buffs from unspent gold. Give it 5 range (makes sense for a mighty Dragon, no?) Or simply just increase the buff to 2x or 3x per gold spent. Go all-out, this can have 3x the stats of a Shadow or Piercer without being (more) broken.
Longbowman - Generally range is amazing, but 5 range just isn't better than 3 range. In the first place, before getting a 5 range unit I'd get a 2 and 3 range unit. At that point, you're already pretty saturated with damage and the Longbowman is likely just overkilling the enemy frontline. It also isn't safer than a 3 range unit, because of Assassins and some of its range is taken away by the downside.
Verdict: at least remove the downside. It still wouldn't be my preferred choice, but it could be useful if its upgrades are good. Alternatively give it some bonus damage so it doesn't require buffing to do anything.1
Long Crossbowman - This one suffers from the same range issue as the longbowman. Usually Akimbo just beats it. Also after upgrading it, the 3-range slot is now open, giving the range almost not benefit at all.
Verdict: it's still a decent niche option, but it might be better to rework. Maybe make it a piercing attack that hits the first 3 units for 10 damage or something similar.
Longer Bowman - Still the range issue. It's a decent niche upgrade though, since it hits the backline - something not many units do. The double damage is a nice extra, but not particularly good. At the point where you get this, you should have some massive damage buffs already (or you're overextending items by buffing multiple units that all need attack)
Verdict: usually a waste of gold, but maybe it could find a place in some teams that don't utilize buffing units. Potentially change the double damage to a flat damage bonus.
Sniper - Again, the range issue. This unit's niche however is definitely no-buff comps. In general that seems to be where the Longbowmen are heading. Unfortunately, I do not think that it is that viable compared to Poisoners or Volcano Mages, simply due to the base unit having almost no attack.
Verdict: Longbowmen need a flat attack bonus to make this viable.
Any units from the Adventurer, Money Bags & Archer lines that I haven't mentioned are likely in a good place (at least based on my thoughts), or will be if their predecessors get a buff.
Thanks again for all the thought you've put into the game!
I'm so addicted to this game. So fun!!
i just thought if a rogue in front goes against another rogue up front then the back units will only get hit (unless range) so that problem could cause a lot of problems like soft locks and bugs
Anyways, Here Are Ideas For Update
x Win Option: You Can Set How Many Wins To Get To Get A Victory
Endless: You Might Already Been Planning To Add That Anyways
Campaign? : A Campaign Sounds Cool With Bosses I Guess
Pause And Fast forward: Freeze Plus Speed
Private And Public Versus: lag go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Cosmetics : yes gain them from campaign or buy with points from winning
New units : units that are new
custom versus rules: i can't wait to see lobbies with settings like only use rouge and 1 life
(i dont like pressing left shift anymore)
ranked mode: rank
casual mode: casu
gear effects : stuff like "20% to dodge but when dodge let unit behing take damage"
Eventually the rogues would kill the back units until one worked its way up and would hit the front unit.
We have a couple of these that we're thinking of implementing in the future. Our next update will have new units!
Ranked is stretch goal for sure, as well as a longer mode that we can try to implement with out current setup! Currently the game stops if you go past 30 turns just because of saving/loading data for armies. I'm looking in a way to make this longer so we can have longer games.
ye but imagine that the attack them is 2 and both teams have a shield?